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In this episode of our podcast, Iβm thrilled to welcome Dr. Jasmine Moses, a passionate anti-bias early childhood educator. Together, we dive into the essential conversation about raising a generation of children who are not only aware but also actively engaged in social justice. Dr. Jasmine shares her insights on making early childhood education accessible and equitable, highlighting the importance of inclusivity in our homes and communities.
We discuss practical steps for parents eager to begin their anti-bias journey, emphasizing the significance of reading, listening to children, and creating open dialogues about complex topics. Dr. Jasmine offers valuable resources and strategies for navigating difficult conversations, from current events to historical injustices. If you’re a parent looking to foster a more inclusive environment for your children, this episode is packed with actionable advice and encouragement. Join us as we explore the profound impact of being intentional in our parenting and education practices!
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Social Justice Parenting by Dr. Traci Baxley @socialjusticeparenting and her book https://socialjusticeparenting.com and check out her IG for her free kids book list
Raising Anti-Racist Children by Brittany Hawthorne https://www.instagram.com/britthawthorne and her book https://kindredstorieshtx.com/products/raising-antiracist-children-a-practical-guide-to-parenting-by-britt-hawthorne-and-natasha-yglesias
Anti Bias Education for young children and ourselves book by Julie Olsen Edwards and Louise Derman-Sparks https://members.naeyc.org/eweb/DynamicPage.aspx?Action=Add&ObjectKeyFrom=1A83491A-9853-4C87-86A4-F7D95601C2E2&WebCode=ProdDetailAdd&DoNotSave=yes&ParentObject=CentralizedOrderEntry&ParentDataObject=Invoice%20Detail&ivd_formkey=69202792-63d7-4ba2-bf4e-a0da41270555&ivd_cst_key=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&ivd_cst_ship_key=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&ivd_prc_prd_key=633274C4-29E8-448E-9606-AF8A52AC168F
Ibram Kendi https://www.instagram.com/ibramxk and books https://www.ibramxkendi.com/books
Akilah S. Richards https://www.instagram.com/fareofthefreechild and her book https://www.pmpress.org/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1145
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Adrienne Miller: 0:00
Hi, Dr. Jasmine. Welcome to the podcast.
Dr. Jasmine Moses: 0:03
Hi. Thanks for having me. I’m excited to be here.
Adrienne Miller: 0:05
We’re so glad to have you. Dr. Jasmine Moses is the anti bias early childhood educator on Instagram. You and I are both very passionate about helping raise a generation of anti biased kids. Can you give me a little intro about yourself, what you do, where you’re from, et cetera?
Dr. Jasmine Moses: 0:25
Of course. Hi again. Everyone listening, my name is Dr. Jasmine Moses. You can find me over at the Anti Bias ECE. So excited to be with you today. A lot of my work is centered around anti bias and anti racist practices within early childhood. And I’m looking my biggest goal, one of the biggest goals is Making the early childhood education system more accessible and more equitable for all children and their families. And my love for early childhood education runs deep. I started off as a preschool teacher, which feels like such a long time ago, but I do miss it. So I like to lead with that because I’ve been in. The schools, I’ve worked with children in different ways. And so I’ve seen this working in a lot of different ways. In my current role, I’m an early childhood community worker. And so still working with children working with early childhood centers, but seeing the work in a different way. And so I like to tell people, I have a lot of different lenses within early childhood, the researcher aspect through my dissertation work and through my like, undergraduate master’s and doctoral work. And then I have the teacher perspective. And then now I’m the community based worker, but at the root of it, I’m passionate about children, families and making sure that they’re seen, making sure that they know they’re valued and so important. I’m also a toddler mom, so that’s another huge identity that I carry. My passion for this work has always been there, as I’ve said, but. My work now directly impacts her life and the lives of other children that are growing with her and that will be in the world with her. And so my why feels a heavier now. And so I’m excited to be able to operate within these different spaces, but also to be able to connect on a lot of different levels with the people that I’m coming into contact with. So that’s a little bit about me.
Adrienne Miller: 2:25
Okay. Thank you. Yeah. I taught for 10 years before I started having my own kids and I was teaching a little bit while they were young, which was, I don’t know how anyone does it. It is so hard to be a teacher and come home to your own children and have anything left. And then, yeah, once I started homeschooling, That weight really, yeah. Once you start having your own kids and you realize that they are listening, they are watching, they are coming to you with all of their big questions. And now you’re the one who’s Oh, wait, I’m supposed to be the keeper of all knowledge, which you’re not obviously, but it starts to feel that way. Cause they ask hundreds of questions a day, a really hard ones. And you realize that. You either have so much to unpack or you carry all your own biases or you don’t know the answers and then you have to go find them out or what have you. Yeah, I appreciate you saying that for sure. And I really love having the school perspective that I had from teaching and then. Bringing that into homeschooling slash parenting. So yeah, I have, can I just start with a quick question for you? Yeah, of course. Please do. I just, I get a lot of homeschooling parents who are either, Looking to diversify their homeschool, their curriculum, their parenting. And a lot of them are really new to social justice or to activism. Many people grow up in a certain space, a certain bubble of privilege, and with the world getting smaller with social media and the internet and all these things, we start, we see a lot more. A lot more of these issues come up and obviously they’ve always been there, but we start to see them. Even more right? We are inundated constantly. It is a lot closer to home now and it starts to really hit on that bubble. And I just wanted to ask if you could just give some beginning advice for those parents, where would you suggest that they start? Where’s a good place to start?
Dr. Jasmine Moses: 4:43
Of course. That’s a really great question. So my first idea is that You’ll hear me say this a lot. Adults don’t know everything, right? I think it’s important to even admit that before you start this work, right? Going into this space as an opport and viewing it as an opportunity to learn is so important because when you’re viewing yourself as a learner, it takes off the pressure. of having to know everything. And sometimes that pressure for people can be, it can freeze them, where they are. And so my first idea is that you need to read, right? It’s, there’s so many books out there that adults can read to begin their anti bias, their social justice journeys all together. And so I have a few reading suggestions, if that’s okay.
Adrienne Miller: 5:34
Excellent. Yes. I’ll put them in the show notes too. So go ahead. Yeah.
Dr. Jasmine Moses: 5:38
Yes. One of my favorite ones that I just read that got me through the end of my dissertation work as I had all of these ideas swimming around, like anti bias education and I’m a parent too. And what do I do? It’s a book called Social Justice Parenting by Dr. Tracy Baxley. So good, written phenomenally. And so I think that is a great book to talk with and to talk with your children about, to talk with other adults around you about some of the things that you’ve learned in it. It’s such a good one. The next one, which you’ve most likely heard of is Raising Anti Racist Children by Brittany Hawthorne. Also phenomenal.
Adrienne Miller: 6:21
So good. She’s one of my favorite.
Dr. Jasmine Moses: 6:23
Yes. So good. Just it’s really digestible her work. And I think I love that about it, both of those actually, but I love that about it, that it seems really accessible, the last one would just be, if they’re looking specifically for anti biased work anti bias education for young children in our by Louise Dartmouth Sparks, Julie Olson Edwards, Catherine Goins and that is from like the NAEYC standpoint, but it just gives you an overview of what like anti bias education actually is. But don’t stop there. There are tons of books there and I don’t want to misquote any titles, but I do know that Dr. Ibram kendy is another author that is, Grace. It has, he has children’s books and adult books. And that’s another great place for them to start, but yes, reading is important, which we know, but when you’re reading on your own, you’re able to engage with something a little bit differently. You’re able to, be more. I think open with yourself as you’re trying to guide yourself through the books. And so I would start there. And then also reading for children too is super important. And so a very easy and tangible way to start to incorporate a lot of these maybe conversations and different things within your home is to start being very selective of the children’s books that you’re bringing into your home and how you’re engaging with your children, with those children’s books. Yeah. And so you need to be mindful of the books that you’re selecting, of course, make sure they’re high quality, but also that they’re diverse and that they incorporate, a lot of different backgrounds, a lot of different stories so that you can begin to have those conversations with children. And then my last kind of beginner step. I have a ton more, but I only wanted to start with three would be to make sure when you’re going into this that you’re viewing your children and their like experiences as co constructors of knowledge, right? A lot of times adults are fearful to let children lead, Or they feel that, children don’t have a lot of valuable things to say or a lot of valuable insight. And so if you’re going into this journey, I want you to know that one of the most major parts of your homeschool curriculum, your social justice journey, your anti bias journey is actually listening to your children and hearing what they’re saying and being able to work through some of these things together. And I know it’s not what a lot of people are used to. But it’s so important as you began to think about those things and so Children, as we know, have such powerful views of the world and valuable insights. And so it’s important as you’re thinking about these things to really include them in your work. And so those will be my three kind of beginning steps for someone who is, new to this journey and looking for some tangible ways to start.
Adrienne Miller: 9:37
Okay. Thank you so much. I’m going to add on to Akilah Richards. So she is a major unschooling figurehead in like globally. And she has a book called Raising Free People. And I’m gonna add that book only because one, my, my audience tends to be homeschoolers slash unschoolers, but two, it really adds to that idea that you talked about with, Kids being whole full complex humans and having an awareness that we don’t give them enough credit for, and she talks about them as very much, a marginalized group, heavily oppressed group. And so even to go along with that third point of They have a voice and we need to listen and, respect and honor consent and their autonomy and really empowering them to, both advocate for them, but then advocate, help them advocate for themselves too, because they, as you said, they are insightful. They’re smart. They’re open minded. They are, the world just, They see it in such a different way than we do. And as you’re saying we often put ourselves adults on such a pedestal and such a position of power. And, we talk about being, anti oppression, anti even policing, anti these things and then turn around and what’s happening in our homes. We’re policing our kids. We are oppressing our kids. We are, doing all the things that we look out into the world and see these communities and these systems of injustice and what have you and Honestly, that’s the first place they’re often learning it from, and I know it’s such an unpopular opinion, but I think in so many homes, parents are the kids first bullies, and we just don’t, sorry, I’m taking this into a different way, but it just, I wanted to point out that we have the opportunity, as you said, To learn alongside them, to not just see them as these buckets that we need to fill with all this wisdom and knowledge that we have as these, omniscient adult parents who know everything and, are just, I don’t know, like we, we talk about kids as being sponges and what have you, and yes, they’re soaking this all in, but we’re not I don’t see our role as we’re standing at the blackboard and they’re sitting at the desk and we are telling and they are listening, right? We really were trying to move away from that really archaic model of education that so many people see as normal because it is, that’s what so many classrooms are still. So leading into my next thing, though, I wanted to ask you about, I know many parents feel like kids are too young, you touched on this a little bit, but maybe if you could expound a tiny bit, that these topics are so difficult, genocide is difficult, police brutality, residential schools, these are really heavy topics for us, it’s White dysregulating what is going on in the world right now and George Floyd like any of those things are heavy. They’re complex. They’re nuanced. And so what do we say to parents who? Just feel slightly uncomfortable. They’re worried about saying the wrong thing They don’t they might feel like they’re inflicting this unnecessary trauma On their kids who, and they really want to shy away from that. But now we’re seeing that pull into, no, I actually. Want to have a progressive home. I have all of these values. I want to share them with my kids. I they’re asking more and more questions. Things are, happening in the world. Why is mommy crying? All these things. So we do want to talk to our kids, but we’re afraid. of saying the wrong thing. We feel uncomfortable, maybe. So what, how do you respond to that?
Dr. Jasmine Moses: 13:57
Yeah, I’ve posted some about this on my Instagram because it is a very popular concern and a very popular fear. And I do, at the root of it, understand it. It is very overstimulating. It is terrifying. It is horrible. A lot of the things that are happening within our world. And I think it’s important to note that. But I also think that a lot of times this idea of children being ready to talk about these things is often rooted in adults own discomfort. And I say that because. We are, in a lot of ways, children are learning about the world through us, through adults. And while a lot of these things are happening, I think it’s all in the way that we decide to explain these things to children. And Research does support us being able to talk to young children about these things because children already have, like you said, an awareness and an understanding of kind of what’s happening. And so it’s up to us as adults to Get over our own discomfort and break it down into developmentally appropriate ways for Children to be able to engage. And the truth is that whether you think they’re too young or not, and this is a lot of things that I tell parents or what I told parents when I was in the classroom, Children are still going to be forming these ideas about the world, whether you are ready to talk with them about it or not. Mhm. And one of the scarier parts for me is that if we’re not talking about these things, then our children are forced to now listen to the largest, loudest voice in the room. And that voice might not actually reflect your family values. So whether you think. that they’re ready or not, or whether you think they’re too young, you have to start to break some of these concepts down and to develop mentally appropriate ways. We have to get over our own discomfort. And so a couple of things that I think people can think about as they begin to break this down and get over their own discomfort is to first educate yourself. And so that means that, Not shying away when the news is really scary. It means staying informed. It means doing your own research. It means reading, reading, right? So that you have an accurate, unbiased understanding or as unbiased as possible, an accurate understanding of what’s actually taking place in the world. And how you see it and how you’re going to break it down to your children. You have to educate yourself first. I know a lot of times, we’re looking at the news headlines and we’re looking at the social media posts and they’re they’re terrifying and it can be so easy sometimes to just say, Oh, I can’t look at this. I can’t talk about it. I can’t look at it.
Adrienne Miller: 17:03
Yeah
Dr. Jasmine Moses: 17:03
it’s okay to be in that space for a little bit But then you have to try to pull yourself out of that space to begin to figure out what is actually happening you have to, we have to all stay knowledgeable about what’s happening in the world. We have to. And so that’s, I think a place to start. You have to educate yourself. You don’t have to do this without support. So find ways to receive these resources that you can use to talk with Children about right. Resources can look like a lot of different things. This could look like we’ve talked about before, a lot of reading and listening and things for you. Maybe some resources for children. There’s tons of amazing I’ve found myself on what I’m calling the social justice. Instagram. And it is amazing. And I’m so grateful to be able to connect with so many people who are so many different ways, trying to make the world a better place. And there’s tons of resources and so many people knowledgeable about so many different things that. That’s a resource too, right? How do you talk with young Children? Like I focus a lot of my work on talking with young Children because that’s my expertise. But there’s so many people out there where you can’t find these resources talking points so many different things. So I think arming yourself with resources is important. But then also, Yeah. We want to make sure that Children have a space where questions are welcome and that once again, Children’s voices are heard. And so intentionally working to create an inclusive environment is important. As you begin any journey, as you continue on any journey, because You want children to be able to come and whatever thoughts that they have, whatever questions that they have, you want them to be able to feel comfortable coming to you and talking about it. And it’s okay to say, Hey I don’t know that right now, or let’s do some research about this. together or have them just tell you how they’re interpreting things and then you supplement with what is happening and like your view of it and you guys come together to do that. But I think those are some ways to get over, your own discomfort. And I feel like for me, when I’m uncomfortable, the more knowledgeable I am about something, the more confident I feel. And so I think that’s something to keep in mind, too that I’ve been trying to keep in mind with toddlerhood. That I’ve been trying to keep in mind with so many different things in terms of research and things like that. The more, knowledgeable you are about what’s happening, the more open or the more comfortable and confident you feel about discussing it.
Adrienne Miller: 19:48
That’s right. Yeah. It’s like anything practice, like anything that you’re doing over and over again, like parenting, like anything, you’re going to get better, you’re going to feel more confident, you’re going to feel more comfortable, and then they’ll feed off of that energy. I just wanted to say something came to mind while you were talking about, oh, that children are either, they’re either going to hear a different from somewhere else, hear a different voice, or they’re going to start forming the ideas themselves anyway. And it’s important to, yeah, have that honesty and that transparency. And I remember my therapist one time, my husband and I were talking with her at the same time, and she was saying, what is so difficult for your son? Is pretending like you guys aren’t okay and that it’ll be, because they can feel that there’s no tricking children. And so it’s as uncomfortable as it is, it’ll make much more sense to them if you’re honest about, yeah, I’m not doing okay. That instead of trying to reassure them of this thing that isn’t true, right? If you’re, it’s that cognitive dissonance, it’s that disconnect of, I see that mom is not okay, and she is saying that she is okay. And those two things don’t match. And so being able to take that in a conversation about things that are difficult and sitting with that and being like. This is really hard. I don’t know how to talk to you about this or this is something that makes me really sad and just being Honest and up front. It’ll be so much more helpful For kids when you say, I don’t know. Let’s take it. Take a look. Let’s look that up Let’s read about it, or here’s what I think But I also know that I used to think this thing and then I read about this and that’s actually You Not how it was, right? Or I tell them very actively I know you’re in the States, but in Canada, we’ve had so much news about residential schools lately, and we, my generation did not grow up learning about any of that in school, right? Purpose and now my nieces and nephews who are in elementary school, it’s a big part of their social studies curriculum. And so we just talk about that with my kids that, yeah, there are things that get erased. There are things that people omit, for obvious reasons, and now that’s not the case. And so I am at the forefront of learning this with you now, or just the things that are honest and transparent. And. If they see you upset, if they see you confused, if they see you hurting, if they feel, you see you dysregulated, I just find that it goes so, it goes such a long way to be honest with that, and honest with your discomfort and your feelings and to go from there. And then the second point I was thinking of while you were talking was if it feels so uncomfortable to talk about the more difficult things. I know I started as a very privileged cis straight white woman with things like let’s get this book about, Kwanzaa. There’s nothing hard about it, we’re just reading about it, or we’re reading about, Diwali. I find celebrations and holidays to be amazing. It’s such an easy place to start because every culture has them, they’re very positive. It’s a very easy way to start with just exposing kids to diversity. And so I am not a proponent of shying away from the difficult things, but if that’s somewhere where people need to start, that feels easier, start with that. You can’t get a book that talks about kids with disabilities, and it’s not having to deep dive into these really philosophical discussions. It’s just kids books that feature different skin colours, even if you’re not talking about it just yet. Just reading. Books that have diverse characters and, diverse families and what have you, you don’t even need to delve into those discussions right away if that’s where you’re at, right? Just starting with the exposure, I think, or buying, buy your pack of crayons that have a description. Lots of different skin colors that are available, not just each, right? Like it’s such, there’s so many just simple, tangible ways to start that don’t have to feel, you don’t have to have a PhD in social justice to do any of this work, right? Like it’s, especially with young children, as you were saying, like if we’re talking to two year olds, three year olds, four year olds, we’re buying them dolls with different color skin. We’re buying them, Toys that have maybe limb differences or they make Barbies in wheelchairs. There are just so many ways to start without Overwhelming yourself, yeah, I say
Dr. Jasmine Moses: 24:52
and I think that’s Honestly, that’s one of the reasons why like I said started this account and wanted to merge this account is because I wanted to make it accessible for anybody so that they can find a way to make this work meaningful for them and that they don’t You know, feel like they have to know all the things up front or have all of the materials or all the books that, this is a journey that when you know better, you do better. And when you learn more, you do more. So I completely agree.
Adrienne Miller: 25:27
And you’ll never know it all, so just take that off your plate. And, if you’re I think about this all the time because often homeschooling parents think, I can’t homeschool because I don’t have a teaching degree or I don’t know everything. And I’m like, no, who does? No one does. Just take that off your plate as thinking that you are going to be, The know it all the authority of everything, because to be honest, when I talk to my kids, like if I’m talking about disabilities, it’s much more helpful for me to show them, Instagram accounts from people with disabilities, talking about what it’s like to have a disability instead of it always being. Through me because I’m not the one in that situation. I’m not a person of color. It’s much more important to me that they’re hearing those voices in addition to mine, but why not? Go to the source of people who have this lived experience that we don’t have. And just take that burden and that feeling of overwhelm off your mind because 1. You’re not going to have all the information and 2. Sourcing that information from elsewhere is quite a bit better, in my opinion. Use your resources. Use your resources. And build your community. Yes. Let me see. The last thing I wanted to ask you was, based on your profession, your work in this area, if you had three things to tell parents, what would they be?
Dr. Jasmine Moses: 27:10
Yeah, I think my first thing would be that anti bias education is for everyone. I’ve been hearing and when people like reach out to me and things like that, they’ve been just expressing that, I don’t know how to engage with some of these things and, I didn’t grow up learning this and I didn’t learn this in school and I want people to know that this way of thinking is for everyone. We all have biases. It’s just how our brain work. It’s just how it works. And if you have a brain, You have biases. And so it’s not necessarily an idea that we’re going into a world without biases, but I think it’s important to draw, attention to this so that we can make sure we’re cognizant of the messages that were passing down the Children. Another thing that I think I would let parents know is that this is a lifelong journey, and we touched on this before. It’s important to remember that you will not could not And probably should not know every single thing about everything. It’s important because at that point, then you’re not willing to learn. And it’s important for us to be able to learn no matter what stage we are in parenting, no matter how old we are, no matter what, it’s important for us to be open to learning because there’s always more to learn, especially as, new things develop, especially as new news comes about, there’s always more to learn. And then I think the last thing, and we touched on this too, is that this type of work involves you Moving away from the idea that adults know best. Yes. And it, it involves you viewing your children as competent, knowledgeable humans.
Adrienne Miller: 29:08
Yes.
Dr. Jasmine Moses: 29:08
And so much more, but definitely knowledgeable, right? And able to, work with you, able to co construct this knowledge with you. And I think for me, that’s a little bit more comforting, especially, when I taught, I went into my teaching with the idea that, I know A lot, but within this type of curriculum, children’s voices will teach me so much more. And I think that made me feel more comfortable in going in and telling children this is new for me too. I don’t know much about this either. If we’re curious about it let’s think about it together. Let’s, Get some books, but, and it involves me maybe sometimes being caught off guard by questions, and being okay with that, but. If you’re caught off guard by a question that you don’t see coming, which now that, I’m a toddler mom and just a mom in general I know those questions are nonstop throughout the day. And so they will catch me off guard. And I think that it’s okay to be caught off guard and I think it’s okay to tell Children, Hey, I need a second to think about that. I need some time to reflect or that’s heavy for me or I’m feeling insert whatever feeling here. I need some time to, process this and think this through. Because I think it models for children, the importance of them being able to do that too. And so something we didn’t really. Talk as much about, but like a lot of this is modeling for Children so that we hope as they go out into the world, then they utilize some of these same things that we’ve done. And one of the biggest things that I think is important to remember is that as you’re raising Children, as you’re teaching Children, however you work with Children, you are teaching Children. A new human on this world, how to be a human, right? Like how, like molding children and teaching them about the world around them. That is such a heavy job. Yeah, it’s beautiful. It is beautiful. And I’m grateful that I’ve chosen a profession where I get to do that. Yeah. But it’s heavy. And so we have to be mindful of the of how we’re choosing to do and, the messaging that we’re passing down the children is so important. We have, we have such important jobs and, It’s just, it’s so important to, think through these things. But yeah, I think that would be, yeah, this work, that would be the three things. And then as we wrap up, I just have a few things that I would like to leave.
Adrienne Miller: 32:13
Yes, please do. Please do.
Dr. Jasmine Moses: 32:15
All right, so my last things for everyone who’s stuck around and who’s still listening. Please continue to be open to learning and be open to growing. Keep in mind that what you’re doing now has a direct impact on the world. As we talked about in the show, anti bias education is a continuous journey. It is not a one stop destination. If anybody comes up to you and says, I know everything there could possibly be to know about the world and all of this, you should probably say, Or walk, maybe we’ll just walk away because I don’t know. I don’t know. We should always be open to learning and growing. And a commitment to anti bias work is a commitment to just that. It’s a commitment to learning and growing. Commit to empowering and valuing your Children. It’s so important that we welcome Children as members of our community. And I say this all the time and I’ve said it already, but we don’t know everything. Adults don’t. And it’s important for Children to know that. And it’s important for us to realize that and for us to continue to welcome Children in and value their thoughts and their ideas.
Adrienne Miller: 33:29
I love that so much. Thank you so much for saying that. At the core of unschooling, so not, it’s very fringe part of unschooling, but, or homeschooling but at its core is really trusting children. It’s very child led. It’s Very child centric. It’s this idea that, they are going to, we trust them to learn about what they’re interested in, how they want to learn it, when they want to learn it, why they want to learn it and really putting their lives in their own hands with our guidance and love and encouragement, of course, but definitely an approach of allowing them to captain their own ship. And to have a very secure sense of self and belonging I say all the time that it is my goal to not have my kids, leave in their 20s to go find themselves because I really. Hope that they never lost who they were in the first place. I hope that as they’re growing, it is, they feel very secure and confident in who they are and that it is not, what is school telling me? That’s important. What is church telling me? That’s important. What are my parents saying I should be or who I should be or what have you. Just letting them be curious, letting them be open, letting them be strong willed as tough as that is to deal with as a parent. But, every time, what is our message to them? Is our message that your voice matters or is our message that my voice matters more than yours? Because I’m old and because I have more experience on this earth and because whatever. Instead of. You’re that you’re a member in our family community. You’re a member in the world, global community, and your voice is just as important as mine and anyone else’s. And, so yeah, thank you for ending with that. I love that so much. It is such an important part of. Unschooling and what I do in my space. So I love that we wrapped it up with that. So thank you again for coming. I really appreciate you, Dr. Jasmine. And again, you can find her at the anti bias early childhood educator on Instagram. Definitely give her a follow. I love All your content. I really appreciate your work
Dr. Jasmine Moses: 35:54
and I would love to keep the conversation going. So if this is your jam, if this is your work and you liked what was shared here, please feel free send me a message. And then I’m also offering, professional development and like some parent courses that are coming soon. So I’d love to continue working with. People as they continue on their journeys and the last thing is if you’re listening to this and you are already thinking about, how to make your family or how to make your homeschooling, unschooling experience. Anti bias, anti racist or leading with the social justice lens, you are already doing excellent work because you’re making a commitment to breaking these things down for your Children and in the hopes of making this world better. So I want to say that you’re already doing excellent work, but please keep doing it. Keep learning, keep growing because our world literally depends on it.
Adrienne Miller: 37:02
Yeah, that’s right. And as you said, we truly have the power to change an entire generation and right. So I love that so much. We have a lot of power in our small circle of influence and with our kids, and it just exponentially grows from there.
Dr. Jasmine Moses: 37:23
Yes. Thank you so much.
Adrienne Miller: 37:26
Thank you. Okay. Chat later.
Dr. Jasmine Moses: 37:29
Yes. Talk to you later.
